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THE GOMERY REPORT AND QUEBEC SEPARATISM

Anonyme, Martes, Noviembre 8, 2005 - 02:35

CHUCKMAN

November 8, 2005

THE GOMERY REPORT AND SEPARATISM

John Chuckman

Following the Gomery Commission Report, the question often is asked, "What do the Liberals have to do to be thrown out of office?"

But the question is politically naïve. Let's be clear just what the scandal Justice Gomery investigated involves. Except for a limited number of individuals who took advantage and who should be prosecuted, the scheme was not about the Liberal Party enriching itself. However inappropriate the method, it was an effort to fund the fight against separatism.

I believe most Canadians understand this, and they have pretty much understood from the first revelations by the Auditor General. Many who have treated the scandal as almost an apocalyptic development were those already opposed to the Liberals, often either separatists or new Conservatives. The sense of grievance does cut more deeply in Quebec, but this has a great deal to do with embarrassment at national exposure of the way things traditionally were done in Quebec politics. Quebeckers see their politics having risen above the days of Maurice Duplessis, but there remains a long history in the province of similar schemes by politicians, and not all with any worthy intent.

The kind of choices we are required to make when voting in elections are described by economists as bundled choices, the take-it-or-leave-it of a whole bundle of goods rather than a set of individual choices. You can't pick and choose policies in any party, you must accept the whole bundle when you vote. The Liberal bundle comes with this scandal, but what does the new Conservative party's bundle include? It includes a leader, Stephan Harper, who has said many times Canada should have joined the illegal invasion of Iraq, an invasion that killed a hundred thousand innocent civilians, destroyed the economy of the country, and now has precipitated a hopeless civil war.

In advocating this course of action, Harper ignored huge ethical issues, to say nothing of international law. Some judgment, some ethics. This fact alone for many Canadians is reason enough to vote Liberal while holding their noses, seeing the party punished with a continued minority. More broadly, the new Conservative party shows signs of being influenced by American neo-cons, making it no longer the traditional Canadian Conservative party but something of a minor branch of America's ugliest, most extreme political thought.

The Conservative bundle also includes Peter McKay who set the ethical example of being a senior executive having an affair with a subordinate. After Belinda Stronach left his party, McKay went on a round of interviews, casting himself as poor, broken-hearted lover and his ex-lover as ruthless, unfeeling person. That's an uninspiring set of behaviors from the second-in-command of a party trying to position itself as an ethical alternative. Of course, we still all remember McKay's breaking his very publicly-given word when assuming leadership of the former Progressive Conservative Party.

The tenth anniversary of the second Quebec referendum was recently celebrated with many discussions of how close the vote had been, but it always seems to me that this perspective is false. Go back and read the question that was printed on referendum ballots. Had the proposition passed, there would have been no mandate for the Parti Quebecois to do anything. The question was a textbook example of political obfuscation, difficult even to read and with many possible interpretations.

Of course, the nation wanted to avoid the political paralysis that surely would have followed a victory for yes, and that is precisely the danger the separatist movement represents. There has never been a majority, not even close to a majority, in Quebec ready to say yes to a clear question of separation, but the genuine threat of an unclear, politically-charged yes vote is years of national political instability.

I believe that with the recent statements by Lucien Bouchard concerning Quebec's future, we may have reached the beginning of the end of the separatist movement. It will not go away quickly, and perhaps it will always have some adherents, but its ultimate decline is a matter both of demographics and economics. In a sense, too, separatism has become something of an outdated issue as Canada has become a home for people from many lands with bilingualism an established policy.

I would like to think, too, recognition of what a wonderful country Canada is has slowly been taking root. I know of no minority anywhere that is today treated so generously as French-speakers are today in Canada. You cannot rise in the civil service of this country without being bilingual. French-speakers have been elected to, or appointed to, all the country's most important posts, indeed often out of proportion to their numbers. Quebec today is a considerable success story, not a tragedy.

You have only to compare it to the story of various minority groups in the United States. French-speakers in Louisiana and Maine have all but disappeared. They no longer even pronounce their French names the correct way. Blacks, while finally getting the right to vote after nearly two centuries, still today form a huge underclass in the United States. The book, "White Niggers of North America" had a catchy title, but it was exaggerated when published, and it is completely inaccurate today.



Asunto: 
huhhh?
Autor: 
patc
Fecha: 
Jue, 2005-11-10 12:51

"There has never been a majority, not even close to a majority, in Quebec ready to say yes to a clear question of separation"

I don't know where you get your data from, but you should question your sources. You are speaking out of your ass, buddy.

You're obviously not from Quebec. Typical brainwashed ROC bullshit, completely detached from the reality of life in Quebec.

I am not a nationalist, either way, nor a "separatist" by the commonly held acceptance (openly derogative) of the term, but I feel that this piece of conservative fodder is a flashback from days gone.

Time to open up, folks. Times they are a changing.

The issue of the political independence of Quebec will come back on the public arena, soon, and it will likely be more dramatic than ever before.

Likely to achieve that proverbial "breaking up of the country" every other anglo-canadian is fearing so much. At this point, you will either have to send in the army (or wathever...) or brush up and try to find a way to make this work.

Conservative types and federalists alike better get used to it sooner than later.


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Asunto: 
considérant son background...
Autor: 
Bouddheur
Fecha: 
Dom, 2005-11-13 12:42

Moine PatC, considérant le background de M. Chuckman, ex-économiste en chef chez Texaco Canada*, faut-il tant s'étonner de son point de vue sur le Qc francophone?

bouddheur ;O(

* source :
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/headlines/why_stephen_harper_lost

P.S. : comment se fait-il que ce texte ait été validé ici?


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Asunto: 
A bas l'impérialisme canadien
Autor: 
léniniste-trotskyste
Fecha: 
Jue, 2005-11-10 19:40

Texte complètement anglo-chauvin et raciste. Comme si la corruption existait seulement au Québec! Les francophones hors-Québec sont tellement bien traité qu'un bon nombre sont assimilés et ne parle plus français. Même la commissaire aux langues officielles Dyane Adams dénonce régulièrement la discrimination qui frappe les francophones au Canada. Vive le Canada qui participe à l'occupation d'Haïti et de l'Afghanistan! Et pour finir, eat shit Anglo-Chauvinist.


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Asunto: 
yeah right... patronizing, chauvinistic and inaccurate
Autor: 
Bouddheur
Fecha: 
Vie, 2005-11-11 00:05

Dear Mr. Chuckman, keep up the good work, your kind of attitude only helps fuelling "Kwebeck" sovereigntists' resolve & motivation. Next referendum, why don't you hop on the first free flight to attend the next federalist "love-in" or military occupation here? Ar, those poor bastards in Qc... we gotta protect those frogs against themselves!

Et que pensent du texte nos Capitaines Canada révolutionnaires du PCR(CO)?

bouddheur ;O(


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Asunto: 
Deux solitudes
Autor: 
JPBouchard
Fecha: 
Vie, 2005-11-11 18:26

Le texte de Chukman est un bel exemple de racisme anglo-saxon. Les Québécois seraient génétiquement programmés pour la corruption.

Il parle de nous avec condescendance et mépris. Seules des réactions en français de son brouillon mesquin peuvent peut être le rapprocher de la culture de Molière. Il y a eu des affaires de corruption en Colombie britannique, Paul Martin est un Canadien anglophone de même que Chuck Guité et Paul Coffin, tous sont liés au gouvernement de Chrétien 93-2003. Le Parti libéral Canada section Québec n'est pas et ne peut être séparé de son bureau chef à Toronto.

Deux solitudes a t'on dit.
Je refuse de parler le "speak white" du "white anglo-saxon protestant" nord américain. Feu Pierre Vallières a raison.


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Asunto: 
bof...
Autor: 
Bouddheur
Fecha: 
Dom, 2005-11-13 12:28

M. Bouchard, je doute que M. Chuckman puisse bien comprendre le français, et de toutes façons les répliques ici sont dans les deux langues.

En passant, en plus de reproduire mon commentaire ci-dessous sur le site Indymedia Ontario (où Chuckman a publié le même texte) en y incluant un lien vers la présente enfilade, j'ai écrit à Chuckman* (un auteur Web prolifique) pour lui faire part des réactions suscitées ici par son texte, peut-être condescendra-t-il bientôt à venir défendre son point de vue ici?

bouddheur ;O(

* JChu...@mediamonitors.org


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